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so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters thin
so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that...
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wade except by electing mitt romney, right? who will then pick supreme court judges who will do that. but they can't make it so hard to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal. they can make the right to access abortion a right in name only. after republicans won big majorities in 2010, they've enacted restrictions not seen. since roe vs. wade was decided in 1973. and as a result of this new wave of restrictions, we're seeing signs of a return to a reality in america that is looking more and more like the days before roe. "business week" published an interesting story this week out of arizona about a woman who is running a nonprofit program there to help poor women in arizona find ways to access abortions. discusses these new restrictions. you can no longer get an abortion outside tucson or phoenix in arizona. and even then you have to wait 24 hours after a forced ultrasound, which means many women are forced to travel hundreds of miles, and then pay to stay overnight in one of those two cities. pending another new abo
wade except by electing mitt romney, right? who will then pick supreme court judges who will do that. but they can't make it so hard to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal. they can make the right to access abortion a right in name only. after republicans won big majorities in 2010, they've enacted restrictions not seen. since roe vs. wade was decided in 1973. and as a result of this new wave of restrictions, we're seeing signs of a return to a reality in america that is looking...
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love the guy on the right. amazing. presidential candidates spending most of their days in debate mode. it was up to the running mates to do the heavy lifting. joe biden was blasting the romney tax plan with being out of touch with the middle class. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, without the boos. stop all that malarkey. this is deadly ernest, man. this is deadly ernest. how they can justify -- how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. how in lord's name can they justify it? >> the romney campaign picked up on that middle class being buried for the last four years during which president obama was in the white house while campaigning in iowa. paul ryan did not miss the opportunity to seize on biden's choice of words. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. of
love the guy on the right. amazing. presidential candidates spending most of their days in debate mode. it was up to the running mates to do the heavy lifting. joe biden was blasting the romney tax plan with being out of touch with the middle class. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, without the boos. stop all that malarkey. this is deadly ernest, man. this is...
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and that's interesting because a lot of conservatives right now are calling for mitt romney to take a risk, to think outside of the box and really do something dramatic. but given the way the romney campaign runs their team, i doubt they'll do anything that risky. >> what about as we were just watching both of you, and i'll ask you first, joe heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked in the past in election cycles we saw it pretty effective in 2010 when republicans used it against democrats. this cycle democrats especially in the house are trying to use it against republicans. i think it's effective with certain segments of the population. you mention the joe biden is in florida. that is exactly one of those populations you're talking about. groups and electorates and voting blocks that are 60 or 55 plus. that's where it's really going to resonate. >> david, can the romney camp send in a paul ryan the way obama sends in his vice-president? can he be that effective in the state of florida
and that's interesting because a lot of conservatives right now are calling for mitt romney to take a risk, to think outside of the box and really do something dramatic. but given the way the romney campaign runs their team, i doubt they'll do anything that risky. >> what about as we were just watching both of you, and i'll ask you first, joe heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked...
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that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be considerably to the left of you. and he'll have a difficult time but, you know, i suppose he may be all for increasing the minimum wage and getting more folks on welfare by then. but, you know, he had a very big night in a theatrical sense wednesday night and that really knocked obama back on his heels. now, you're seeing from obama the answers that one would have thought he would have come up with in realtime but romney did leave himself with a problem because he's contradicted himself in so many ways. he's come back and said, which one is it? the one that you presented last wednesday? so we're
that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be...
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mitt romney's adopted home state there, if you will. >> right, so he'll be doing that for sure in new hampshire and then in ohio today. okay, thank you very much, ron mott appreciate that. >>> let's get more on the president's surge in the polls. he is increasing his lead in a number of key swing states. he's leading in all nine nbc/"wall street journal"/marist polls taken over the last three weeks. let's talk about what's happening from the gop perspective. because some there are complaining about the polling. they say the pollsters are oversampling democrats. any legitimacy to any of these complaints? >> well, you know, alex one of the things that we often find is that the side that's complaining about polling or the media usually the side that's down. so, that's i think more of what's happening here, rather than the polls being skewed in some way. i mean, i think our pollsters, you know, we use a republican polling firm. we use with a democratic polling firm. they're, you know, have great reputations, and they try their best to match these numbers as best they can to census and reg
mitt romney's adopted home state there, if you will. >> right, so he'll be doing that for sure in new hampshire and then in ohio today. okay, thank you very much, ron mott appreciate that. >>> let's get more on the president's surge in the polls. he is increasing his lead in a number of key swing states. he's leading in all nine nbc/"wall street journal"/marist polls taken over the last three weeks. let's talk about what's happening from the gop perspective. because...
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right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has turned so many people off to their candidate. when you ask voters whether they like this mitt romney guy, the answer is a very, very plain answer. no. his favorable ratings are in the low 40s, almost 10 points lower than the ratings for president obama. lower even than the famously unpopular former president george w. bush right now. swing state voters say they do not think mitt romney cares about the needs of people like them. some of them are shockingly bad. look at the percentage of swing state voters who say mitt romney's policies will favor the middle class. in florida
right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has...
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. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i finally had typecast him, because he can't play a character role, he's not a good enough actor. this is a conclusion i came to. that he is that boss who makes lame jokes at which we are compelled to laugh at peril of our jobs. >> yes. >> and -- >> i don't know any bosses like that. >> last night he more or less erased that image with the significant cooperation of the president, he presented a brand-new, as you said, and different romney relishing the occasion, filled with facts, right or wrong, true or false, but filled with them, and delivered with great conviction and with energy. unfortunately for the democratic campaign, another presid
. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i...
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certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things that he has espoused on the campaign trail that he used to get through the republican primary, are positions that are very focused on the top and it looks like what the campaign is doing and what the press is doing is pointing out mitt romney is not telling the truth about the positions he has. >> yeah. but that's presuming he's going to stay on one message or the other. the most shocking thing about the debate, you're not going to do the 20% across the board tax cut, now you like certain parts of the obama care, but it muddles the president's tactics in terms on hammering him on things if tho
certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things...
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you saw bill clinton was going after mitt romney on that. >> right. >> how does he tonight get around the impression that he was simply writing off half of america? >> yeah. well, i think what's going to happen tonight is they're going to have the voters are going to have sustained direct exposure to both candidates and they're going to see the choice in front of them. and i think this statement here or the vice president's statement here or the rest of it, have moved votes softly in the middle a little bit but tonight they're going to have a direct exposure and see the choice they have, between how we've been going and the opportunity we have to get this economy moving and get the budget under control. i think that's -- personally i think it's going to overwhelm a lot of previous impressions. >> mitt romney has been getting so much advice, solicited and unsolicited, be warm, be empathetic, have zingers, go after him, be tough, rush limbaugh says be tougher more aggressive, other people say don't do that, more likable. is this going to be the warm and fuzzy mitt romney, the tough aggr
you saw bill clinton was going after mitt romney on that. >> right. >> how does he tonight get around the impression that he was simply writing off half of america? >> yeah. well, i think what's going to happen tonight is they're going to have the voters are going to have sustained direct exposure to both candidates and they're going to see the choice in front of them. and i think this statement here or the vice president's statement here or the rest of it, have moved votes...
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when he's rallying the base, romney throws out red meat for the right. but when he's interviewed by the mainstream press, he tries to give his kinder, gentler side. last night romney told the "denver post" he would honor president obama's work permit program for children of illegal immigrants. that contradicts the extreme position he took during the gop debates. >> if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self-deportation. people decide they can do better going home, because they can't find work here because they don't have documentation to find work here. >> when he's talking to the base, he's clear about what he would do to the president's health care law. >> if i'm president, i will repeal obama care. i will repeal obama care. we're going to get rid of obama care. >> just listen to what he told nbc news about his own health care record. >> don't forget, i got everybody in my state insured. 10 0% of the kids in my state have health insurance. i don't think anything shows more empathy and care for the people of this country
when he's rallying the base, romney throws out red meat for the right. but when he's interviewed by the mainstream press, he tries to give his kinder, gentler side. last night romney told the "denver post" he would honor president obama's work permit program for children of illegal immigrants. that contradicts the extreme position he took during the gop debates. >> if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self-deportation. people decide they...
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people listen to both sides and concluded that mitt romney was right. because he happens to be right. and governor, respectfully, he said you lower the corporate tax rate to 25% and the petroleum industry exemptions can go away. that was another specific. >> he didn't say that. >> yes, he did say that. >> he said it might go away. he was not specific. >> let me play for you a series of clips because there's a lot of talk about, obviously, how important this election is and whether or not the american people, the voters were well-served last night. listen to this. >> dodd frank. >> dodd frank. >> bowles simpson. >> bowles simpson. >> did you think things got wonky last night? >> i think governor strickland was watching a different debate because it was obvious mitt romney said he would not cut taxes on the upper income americans but cut taxes on middle income americans. by the way, everybody is saying, why was obama pretty bad? it's pretty simple to me, what is he going to run on, his record? is he going to run on jobs? is he going to run on finances or
people listen to both sides and concluded that mitt romney was right. because he happens to be right. and governor, respectfully, he said you lower the corporate tax rate to 25% and the petroleum industry exemptions can go away. that was another specific. >> he didn't say that. >> yes, he did say that. >> he said it might go away. he was not specific. >> let me play for you a series of clips because there's a lot of talk about, obviously, how important this election is...
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last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n romantic place you could imagine here with me. congratulations. >> that was, i hate to say it, charming. >> yeah. >> james. >> yeah. >> where did that come from? >> it came from mitt romney. he's rather notorious for telling nox that go over lie lead balloons. this did not. he finally found his groove as far as a comedian is concerned. at least for that moment. >> let's talk about the president. he was the one i think that was the base of most consternation. you know, he was looking down a lot. did he know and what did you think about the fact of that split screen? there we are watching it now. we never didn
last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n...
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joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
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this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a scrooge mcduck and he can't seem to shake it no matter what he says. it's just sort of baked in at this point, i don't know how he gets around and positions himself as a man of the people when he's seen as the man of bain capital. >> we're going to get some unique insights about presidential debates from a broadcasting pioneer carol simpson was the first minority woman to moderate a presidential debate back in 1992, he's going to join us in about a half an hour. >>> we're getting a deadly reminder of the -- two americans, one soldier and one civilian contractor killed during another green on blue attack in thi
this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a...
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"politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, fight night in denver. in just under three hours, president obama and governor romney will meet on the stage at the university of colorado in their first debate where tens and millions of americans watching at home. the debate will showcase two competing visions for america, two conflicting views of government, a clash of ideas about the kind of democracy we want. it could hardly be a more stark choice for the country. but this is also personal it's about two men and who are and how they will connect with the american people. no doubt about it, this is a big night. join me now, cynthia tucker and erin mcpike who covers the campaign for real clear politics. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> erin, let me go to you first. mitt romney is behind. what does he need to cover up? what does he need to do tonight? >> he needs to show, especially middle class voters, that he has a plan. we've already
"politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, fight night in denver. in just under three hours, president obama and governor romney will meet on the stage at the university of colorado in their first debate where tens and millions of americans watching at home. the debate will showcase two competing visions for america, two conflicting views of government, a clash of ideas about the kind of democracy we...
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that's what this 47% tape did, right? it ended up verifying a six-month campaign the obama folks had been waging against mitt romney saying he was rich, saying he wouldn't release his tax returns, talking about bain capital, as howard has brought up before. and then the 47% video comes out and it sort of says, oh, it verifies everything the obama campaign has been saying about this guy. now i've heard it straight from romney's mouth. that's the extra hurdle now that he's dealing with with this final sliver of voters who can move, and that's -- but they haven't yet. >> howard, a question for you, it's historic. why do some candidates like bobby kennedy, jack kennedy, even pat buchanan, come out of a campaign learning about something? you actually learn something. and you have an emotion about it because you have been relatively privileged, most candidates have, and you get exposed to people's lives who are very difficult. why do you think romney has avoided that moment where he says, i get it. >> if he had that moment, he
that's what this 47% tape did, right? it ended up verifying a six-month campaign the obama folks had been waging against mitt romney saying he was rich, saying he wouldn't release his tax returns, talking about bain capital, as howard has brought up before. and then the 47% video comes out and it sort of says, oh, it verifies everything the obama campaign has been saying about this guy. now i've heard it straight from romney's mouth. that's the extra hurdle now that he's dealing with with this...
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i have talketo several of my right wingriends who when romney's tape came out said i wish romney talked like this more often they are able to say thi cae they never lived on government assistance. they he lived on corporate welfare, but tn't hey doe that as the se thing. for people who have lived on government assistance, it can be a soul-crushing thing. for stance, unemployment. i've been on unempyment. othepe debilitating feeling to know you're not contributing at that moment. anthe idea that that's your preferd state of being just shows the lack of understanding th people like romney and ryan have for people who are that situation. an that enables them to provide for their family rather than feeling like ty are some type of leech. it's doubly insulting en ty are then told on this onal stage, hey, you're in rough me in ur life. nolyre you in a rough time, but you' a leech on societ >> the phrasing, they are not exact parallel phrasin but romney saying es cannot be persuaded to take responsibility for their liv. and ryan saying they do t believe the american dream. similar parall langu
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you're right, the president has had four years to lay this out and now a campaign. and the president just trying to run out the clock. he desperately wants to run out the clock with platitudes which sound nice and i give him that. the president is very good at that. but in the end, i think that both sides have to look at this campaign and say, what are we going to lay out over the next 36 days and that's i think what's really important. and i think governor romney will lay out some very important points over the next 36 days. that are going it make people believe once and for all that america can be great again. not just staggering along here economically as we've been doing. >> earlier this year, before he was the official nominee, you criticized mitt romney, you talked about his shortkomgtcome failure to connect with people as a candidate. that criticism has not gone away. and then had you his secretly recorded speech at a fundraiser we talked about the 47%. believing that they were victims. the obama campaign has made an ad that puts some pictures to those words.
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you have all this craziness on the right that mitt romney is not standing up. this is where the president said, he won't stand up to the craziness on the right. he didn't stand up to donald trump with the whole thing about the birthers. he's not standing up to -- >> morris, if you were a republican, morris, would you be standing? what would your reaction be? would you be saying something doesn't pass the smell test here? >> i would do what mccain did when a woman said those bad things about president obama, and he told her she was wrong. you need to stand up for the right thing. it's funny when the numbers work to the advantage of the republicans, everyone's happy with it. but when it doesn't work to their advantage, it's a conspiracy. do the right thing -- >> there's a conspiracy on the other side, morris, come on. >> i'm talking about what you guys are saying right now. i'm not talking about what the on the right or the left right now. jack welsh has done this, donald trump has done this, mitt romney hasn't stood up to anyone on the craziness on his party. th
you have all this craziness on the right that mitt romney is not standing up. this is where the president said, he won't stand up to the craziness on the right. he didn't stand up to donald trump with the whole thing about the birthers. he's not standing up to -- >> morris, if you were a republican, morris, would you be standing? what would your reaction be? would you be saying something doesn't pass the smell test here? >> i would do what mccain did when a woman said those bad...
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over on fox news, they know different, right? right? >> why are you and romney losing at this race? >> we're going to win this race. given that, we're going to win this race. >> but you are not at this point. you're losing. >> here's what we're saying. >> fox news to paul ryan, quote, you're losing. ouch. when they turn to the ryan/romney economic plan which would somehow reduce the deficit or popular deductions. >> you're the master of the budget. so briefly let's go through the plan. the obama plan says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show, if you for tur statics enough, they will confess enough to what you want them to say. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm not talking about the cut. we'll get to the deductions. but the cut in the tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. >>
over on fox news, they know different, right? right? >> why are you and romney losing at this race? >> we're going to win this race. given that, we're going to win this race. >> but you are not at this point. you're losing. >> here's what we're saying. >> fox news to paul ryan, quote, you're losing. ouch. when they turn to the ryan/romney economic plan which would somehow reduce the deficit or popular deductions. >> you're the master of the budget. so briefly...
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"hardball" starts right now. >>> does romney like you? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. on the way to denver. let me start with this brand new nbc/wall street journal poll out tonight. what it shows in addition to an obama leading that's hardening is a deep concern that mitt romney said about that 47% of the country he says can't be counted on to meet its responsibility. it's that part of the country that romney has dismissed as free-loaders, moochers, takers. people, especially veteran families, people retired on social security, regular americans, that is, don't like being dismissed that way, injury added by insult. i'm joined by chuck todd and howard fineman with "the huffington post." the latest poll shows among likely voters the president leads 49% to 46% for romney. that's down net two points from two weeks ago when the president was up by five. to what to you attribute the movement, chuck todd? >> well, first of all, the more important number has always been the president sitting at 49% or 50%. i would go through his job approval
"hardball" starts right now. >>> does romney like you? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. on the way to denver. let me start with this brand new nbc/wall street journal poll out tonight. what it shows in addition to an obama leading that's hardening is a deep concern that mitt romney said about that 47% of the country he says can't be counted on to meet its responsibility. it's that part of the country that romney...
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not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when you count only voters who are psychotically engaged. folks, i have got my own source of polls, conservative blogger dean chambers who analyzed these polls favoring obama and then reached the scientific conclusion that they just didn't look right. chambers' work throws all polls into doubt now. even the internal ones i have taken of myself. i mean, the results say i'm not that excited about mitt romney, but as a conservative i feel like i should love him. maybe the sample size is too small or maybe i checked the wrong box and i'm actually latino, you know? >> it's not a good sign just six weeks from elect
not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when...
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mitt romney turned in a strong performance and the president turned in an uneven performance. the disparity led to a perception that president obama lost the debate. if you look at the commentary, not from the right, but people who love barack obama, almost every one of them, every pundit was saying that he lost. some saying he lost decisively. some saying he lost so badly, it could cost him the election. to me, it's hyperbolic. it speaks to the fact mitt romney changed the narrative of the campaign. >> what does it mean, jim, for mitt romney. if we accept he won the night last night, how does he make it about more than one night and a turning point in the campaign? >> i can't emphasize how big last night was for mitt romney. you have to view it from the mitt romney that came into the debate. conservatives were down on him. his staff were down on him. donors were reluctant to give money to him. most thought he had no opportunity to win the race. he comes out of the debate as somebody who reassured conservatives. his biggest critics are applauding him. the donors are excited ag
mitt romney turned in a strong performance and the president turned in an uneven performance. the disparity led to a perception that president obama lost the debate. if you look at the commentary, not from the right, but people who love barack obama, almost every one of them, every pundit was saying that he lost. some saying he lost decisively. some saying he lost so badly, it could cost him the election. to me, it's hyperbolic. it speaks to the fact mitt romney changed the narrative of the...
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right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in order to, you know, occlude the accusation against you that, i mean, is that how you do it? >> go that, go after the tactic. again, it's easy to say this as a monday morning quarterback, but then you pivot to the substance of it and explain why what he just said is not true. you don't call him a liar or say that's not true. or do something that can end up, you know, going viral in some way that is not helpful to the campaign. just have to very clearly and cogently, and it was cogency that was lacking last night, rip through the other guy's point. >> mitt romney said he does not espouse positions he's been runnin
right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in...
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right? at the moment, yes there's a lot of romney activity. ha they're doing -- and barack obama's speech is above that. what i love is the first lady's speech is above mitt romney's convention speech. >> i don't want us to lose touch of the importance of the human connection, of pressing the flesh. like you're saying, the trick is to web the two. we know from political science research, your direct mobilization is always going to be more effective than your indirect mobilization. eer getting better at it. it's a nice subsidy. you can't say oh, we're in a new technological era, we don't need boots on the street and you need boots on the street. >> that's right. bridging the virtual world with the physical word. that's when social media channels come to life and the magic happens. whoever coined the term social media didn't do us any favors. it's not really media. it's more like the telephone, less like the tv. when it comes to communication, we all revolve around communication. but when you can bring that vart ul world and physical world and m
right? at the moment, yes there's a lot of romney activity. ha they're doing -- and barack obama's speech is above that. what i love is the first lady's speech is above mitt romney's convention speech. >> i don't want us to lose touch of the importance of the human connection, of pressing the flesh. like you're saying, the trick is to web the two. we know from political science research, your direct mobilization is always going to be more effective than your indirect mobilization. eer...
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compare president obama's lead over mitt romney right now. 6%. it's outside the margin of error. could president obama suffer a loss in the same way as president obama carter did despite the lead with more than a month to go, ed o'keefe? >> of course. that's why the only poll that matters is the one that's taken on election day when people actually vote. these polls are meant to serve as quick snapshots of how people were feeling at varying points in time. we use them because we're eager to understand how it is that the electorate is reacting to everything going on. five weeks remain. what is it, 37 days? anything can happen. it could be the debate on wednesday. it could be some other surprise on wednesday or here in the united states. everything could change. that's why it's important that everyone remember that these are just quick snapshots. we use them. it behooves journalists to make sure we don't rely on them too much to start drawing conclusions. >> we do love polls here. it gives us something to talk about. let me ask you this. i have a buddy who contends one of the effec
compare president obama's lead over mitt romney right now. 6%. it's outside the margin of error. could president obama suffer a loss in the same way as president obama carter did despite the lead with more than a month to go, ed o'keefe? >> of course. that's why the only poll that matters is the one that's taken on election day when people actually vote. these polls are meant to serve as quick snapshots of how people were feeling at varying points in time. we use them because we're eager...
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that, but, look, i think there was a problem with the romney/ryan pick right off the bat, and that was ryan had a plan that was obviously well-publicized, that was defeated, but since mitt romney was short on specifics in his plan, the media immediately filled in the holes and the gaps in romney's plan with ryan's old plan. >> but hogan, i thought -- >> they couldn't answer the question. >> hogan, just before you answer fully though, my understanding was that mitt romney had embraced ball ryan's budget. indeed, i heard him say that. so i think it's slightly inaccurate to suggest that somehow mitt romney has been separate from paul ryan. he's embraced paul ryan's budget. >> well, if i'm not mistaken, that, too, was in a primary that in a sense they were asking would you embrace his plan and romney said, yeah, it's a good plan, but as the nominee obviously, you have your own plan. the raub is that plan was a little bit short on specifics, shall we say, and so they filled the gaps smartly so done by the democrats by the way, they filled the gaps with ryan's plan to try to make romney's pl
that, but, look, i think there was a problem with the romney/ryan pick right off the bat, and that was ryan had a plan that was obviously well-publicized, that was defeated, but since mitt romney was short on specifics in his plan, the media immediately filled in the holes and the gaps in romney's plan with ryan's old plan. >> but hogan, i thought -- >> they couldn't answer the question. >> hogan, just before you answer fully though, my understanding was that mitt romney had...
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is chris christie right? this is make or break for mitt romney? >> i think he's got more at steak than obama. it's one of his last shots. >> jeanne cummings, as you're watching this back and forth, do you expect a confrontational debate or a polite exchange? >> based on what the reporting shows and the preparation of the romney campaign, they are looking to bring the game to president obama. he has to do offense and defense, very tricky in the first debate, and i think he's well prepared. he may surprise some people. >> mark, i want you to talk to me about all of the national polls we have gotten in the last 24 hours. cnn, politico, abc post, they all have something in common. what are we seeing here that's good for obama and what are we seeing here that's good for romney? >> what's good for obama is he's hitting 50%, where you need to be. if obama wins, it's going to be with numbers like those. if i'm mitt romney, i'm liking the fact the race is tightening a little bit. the question is whether this is natural tightening or is mitt romney really m
is chris christie right? this is make or break for mitt romney? >> i think he's got more at steak than obama. it's one of his last shots. >> jeanne cummings, as you're watching this back and forth, do you expect a confrontational debate or a polite exchange? >> based on what the reporting shows and the preparation of the romney campaign, they are looking to bring the game to president obama. he has to do offense and defense, very tricky in the first debate, and i think he's...
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mitt romney is sure going to try. but you're right, i mean, the polls show it. he has a steep hill to climb in terms of changing the narrative, in term of bringing people to his side, in term of maybe tightening the polls with the president. when you have the 47% video out there, when you have other comments out there such as, i'm not very concerned about poor people or i like firing -- i like being able to fire people who provide services to me, it sets up this image of a person who really is not like us. the us -- by the us i mean, not just the 47%, but the 99% of the folks who don't get to live in the way mitt romney has been able to live as a very wealthy man. again, there's nothing wrong with being a very wealthy man. there is something wrong about a person running for the president of the united states who the voters feel like they can't relate to me and he can't relate to my problems, so how is he going to be able to solve them? >> john, isn't the president actually in the more vulnerable position in terms of behavior and demeanor? because the president h
mitt romney is sure going to try. but you're right, i mean, the polls show it. he has a steep hill to climb in terms of changing the narrative, in term of bringing people to his side, in term of maybe tightening the polls with the president. when you have the 47% video out there, when you have other comments out there such as, i'm not very concerned about poor people or i like firing -- i like being able to fire people who provide services to me, it sets up this image of a person who really is...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fallon providing a satiric al view on the debate playing mitt romney. >> make sure we get a chance to -- >> we should just, shut your yapper a little bit. >> all right, and i respect that the governor -- >> jeb -- do us all a favor and just zhhhh. we don't need you. >> i think that's a little -- >> that's a little -- just leave and do whatever you want. okay? >> i'm the moderator here. >> i'm going to have to ask you to stop talking. okay. jeb, i -- >> now, listen, i -- >> okay. >> ah -- >> oh -- >> yeah. >> i'll tell you -- i know what. >> ah. >> i -- >> jjjjjjj. na. >> that's just a noise. >> jeb, jeb, jeb, would you shut the [ bleep ] up! [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's ea
. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fallon providing a satiric al view on the debate playing mitt romney. >> make sure we get a chance to -- >> we should just, shut your yapper a little bit. >> all right, and i respect that the governor -- >> jeb -- do us all a favor and just zhhhh. we don't need you. >> i think that's a little -- >> that's a little --...
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whether they're fired up for romney, forget that question right now. they're fired up to vote out obama. you don't see that among hispanics, not among young voters. that's still an issue the obama campaign has to worry about. >> okay. in swing states, of course, the obama campaign has bomb borded vote wers this powerful ad going over romney for his 47% remark. let's take a look. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. who are dependent on government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they're entitled to haek, to food, to housing, to you name it. and they will vote for this president no matter what. and so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> howard, i opened the show tonight with what we call our cold open. i said does obama like you? and there's a lot of people who are going to see that ad and say, i'm in that picture somewhere. i'
whether they're fired up for romney, forget that question right now. they're fired up to vote out obama. you don't see that among hispanics, not among young voters. that's still an issue the obama campaign has to worry about. >> okay. in swing states, of course, the obama campaign has bomb borded vote wers this powerful ad going over romney for his 47% remark. let's take a look. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. who are dependent on...
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so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is
so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get...
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they're making me do my homework. >>. >> right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people are just hoping he remains upright. >> let's get to our panel. we're joining by a laughing krystal ball and joy reid. joy, there's a new poll which shows the president enjoys an 18-point advantage over mitt romney among women, but i guess that's another dirty trook trick by the liberal media. >> can we show the unskewed version of that poll? >> even at 18%. >> i think the problem for mitt romney, it isn't women's issues, it's also medicare. more women than men are concerned about taking care of their parents, and i think just the overall gamut of issues sort of favor the president with women, and i'll tell what you, mitt romney could only overcome a gap like that with women if he had a comparable gap among seniors. i think when you combine the gender gap with now the shrinking age gap, problems for romney. >> okay. well, krystal, to joy's point, mr. romney is increasingly relied upon his wife to connect to women. take a listen. here she is. >> this is the mitt romney i know, an
they're making me do my homework. >>. >> right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people are just hoping he remains upright. >> let's get to our panel. we're joining by a laughing krystal ball and joy reid. joy, there's a new poll which shows the president enjoys an 18-point advantage over mitt romney among women, but i guess that's another dirty trook trick by the liberal media. >> can we show the unskewed version of that poll? >>...
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mitt romney to st. petersburg. i-4. you know the story. swing voters. we'll be right back. weather? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do what needs to be done. today. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, owens corning ecotouch attik insulation is only $11.87 a roll. >>> these are critical days for mitt romney as he tries to build on his strong debate performance and answer, now as he gets a second look lingering questions about the tax plan that will get debated and how he will handle medicare. with me republican senator from texas kay bailey hutchinson. good morning. always good to see you. >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to start with first though mitt romney and the 47% remark. here's what he said to sean hannity last night. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions now and then you say something that doesn't come out right. in this case i said something that is just completely wrong.
mitt romney to st. petersburg. i-4. you know the story. swing voters. we'll be right back. weather? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do what needs to be done. today. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, owens corning ecotouch attik insulation is only $11.87 a roll. >>> these are critical days for mitt romney as he tries to build on his strong...
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it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further turned off by that tone. >> do you think that he was like that because of the goading that he's had from republicans who feel that he's a bit e feet, that he's not really tough enough, that he hasn't gone out and beaten everybody up? >> i think it's part of that. if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >
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on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class will be harmed and it's going to marme our economy. >> one last question for you and it is a little bit on the style of this and i realize that you're a policy guy as much as you are a candidate guy but i do have to ask you to be candid on the. was there a deliberate strategy on your part to tell the president to not attack mitt romney? he never talked directly to mitt romney and told him that he was being wrong about things. the one time he got closest to that when he said -- your strategy right now is to say "never mind" about your previous tack plan. that's as close as they got to ta
on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class...
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. >> i get to respond, right? >> mitt romney was able to beat his republican challengers with tough rebuttals and good lines. he's been prepping extensively for the debate tomorrow night. is that a good thing or bad thing? does he run the risk coming across too rehearsed? >> the fact they are spending eight days in debate camp is unprecedented, no question about that. the danger of that is you overprogram the guy to the point where he gets on that stage and he is in some invisible straitjacket. that's the last thing they need. bill clinton said something smart about debates. they are like jazz. there is a melody you have to play, but you have to be able to imp improvi improvise, as well. if you're too rigid, you don't hear the opportunity to riff. >> there is a rich history and not all of them involve what the candidate said rather than what they did. when president bush was checking his watch. the cut-aways are so pivotal to see what type of response the other candidate is having. the reaction, that is. both side
. >> i get to respond, right? >> mitt romney was able to beat his republican challengers with tough rebuttals and good lines. he's been prepping extensively for the debate tomorrow night. is that a good thing or bad thing? does he run the risk coming across too rehearsed? >> the fact they are spending eight days in debate camp is unprecedented, no question about that. the danger of that is you overprogram the guy to the point where he gets on that stage and he is in some...
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at least for governor mitt romney, debate and what debate? oh, right. wednesday. the first presidential debate. we got a rigorous macro economic lesson that day. but by the end of the week, the only number that mattered was 7.8. that's because the unemployment rate released yesterday is the lowest since 2009. the bureau of labor statistics announced fresh revisions for the summer jobs numbers. in fact, july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than were originally reported. and the household survey showed is an exceptionally strong month with 873,000 more employed americans last month than in july. president obama was back on the trail yesterday trying to temper his enthusiasm. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> mr. romney, of course, saw it a little differently. >> the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> good try b
at least for governor mitt romney, debate and what debate? oh, right. wednesday. the first presidential debate. we got a rigorous macro economic lesson that day. but by the end of the week, the only number that mattered was 7.8. that's because the unemployment rate released yesterday is the lowest since 2009. the bureau of labor statistics announced fresh revisions for the summer jobs numbers. in fact, july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than were originally reported....
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romney very clearly pulls something from his right pocket and he pops it on to the podium in front of him. violation. violation. according to the conspiracy, complete with the grainy, slow mo youtube videos, this is mr. romney cheating. now he must have been working from note cards the entire debate. the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? ho
romney very clearly pulls something from his right pocket and he pops it on to the podium in front of him. violation. violation. according to the conspiracy, complete with the grainy, slow mo youtube videos, this is mr. romney cheating. now he must have been working from note cards the entire debate. the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate...
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. >> right now there's a romney strategist rushing a memo to mr. romney in his prep room saying, the liberals on msnbc say -- we'll see if they take this. we've got to take a quick break. tonight is probably as big as it gets in terms of the persuadable audience watching tonight to make up their mind between these two candidates. it may not get bigger than it is tonight. we have nbc's chuck today straight ahead with the latest numbers. we've got a lot to get to. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. >> i want you to know that, also, i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that ex
. >> right now there's a romney strategist rushing a memo to mr. romney in his prep room saying, the liberals on msnbc say -- we'll see if they take this. we've got to take a quick break. tonight is probably as big as it gets in terms of the persuadable audience watching tonight to make up their mind between these two candidates. it may not get bigger than it is tonight. we have nbc's chuck today straight ahead with the latest numbers. we've got a lot to get to. this is msnbc's live...
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it's maybe that romney can't do something himself. but if obama has a slipup, i mean that debate you referenced the gore-bush debate. i was at that debate and didn't realize what a spectacular disaster it was because i didn't hear the sigh. it was the sigh heard around the world when you were watching it at home on television. i think that damaged gore. he didn't recover from it in subsequent debates. if obama has that sort of a slipup, that can change the trajectory. i think more often than not, these debates aren't conclusive. if the debate isn't conclusive the race at this point goes to obama. >> i want to bring in governor jack markel. good to have you here. how important are these expectations? >> they certainly got a lot of play on the talk shows. but in the end i also give credit to the american people. they're going to sort it through. they've been sorting it through now for months. and certainly since the convention. it comes down to who's got the energy behind him. >> does mitt romney need to hit it out of the park? is this
it's maybe that romney can't do something himself. but if obama has a slipup, i mean that debate you referenced the gore-bush debate. i was at that debate and didn't realize what a spectacular disaster it was because i didn't hear the sigh. it was the sigh heard around the world when you were watching it at home on television. i think that damaged gore. he didn't recover from it in subsequent debates. if obama has that sort of a slipup, that can change the trajectory. i think more often than...
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board tax cut. >> right. which has to mean a tax increase for the middle class. it's the only way to pay for it if you want it to be revenue neutral. he can't make the argument about the economy because as we've said, he'll try to make the argument that obama has been an infective steward. we're now protected to be a positive three. that's a 12% positive swing since he came in as president. and it's just hard to see where romney goes on the economy because obama has got a good answer. he can't go anywhere on taxes because his proposal has got to mean a middle income -- middle class tax increase. he can't go anywhere on medicare because they're losing the argument badly, particularly in ohio and florida on medicare. that's a big reason why the numbers have flipped in those two states because seniors have moved over to the obama -- >> karen? >> i was going to say the other thing, to julian's point, it's a debate which means unlike the debates that mitt romney did earlier this year where you have maybe 30 second
board tax cut. >> right. which has to mean a tax increase for the middle class. it's the only way to pay for it if you want it to be revenue neutral. he can't make the argument about the economy because as we've said, he'll try to make the argument that obama has been an infective steward. we're now protected to be a positive three. that's a 12% positive swing since he came in as president. and it's just hard to see where romney goes on the economy because obama has got a good answer. he...